Picking up a new video cam..


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I'm an experienced photographer who is looking at picking up a video camera to go with my FSLRs/DSLRs which don't do video. (Trying to get a 1984 Pentax645 MF to do video is a little challenging. :p)

Probably going to shoot events with this, guest speakers, presentations, interviews and so on. Most likely the camera is going to be locked down on a tripod while I roam. Some handheld use is expected. Size and weight is not much of a deterrent as long as it does not exceed Canon XM2/GL2 size. In fact the GL2's size is good as it gives me room to hang accessories onto it without looking ridiculous.

I'm trying to decide between going with a 'legacy' Canon XM2/GL2 (semipro) vs newer consumer camera such as the Canon HV30 or HF100. One of the key things to me is that I need a half-decent shotgun mic especially for handheld interviews. I'm not entirely convinced by the HD hype and I'm wondering whether the older 3CCD GL2 design would still look better in low light compared to the small sensors of the consumer cameras. There is no particular need for HD, when full size 720x576 SD will do fine for output to DVD.

Also, while the HF100 looks like quite a charming device with the DM-100 mike, I hear AVCHD is a pain to edit and I regard postprocessing as enough a chore as it already is (yes, big Lightroom fan here because it makes things FAST for me). Score one for DV tape, Firewire, and a very-well-established DV workflow.

Tape however is a pain to me.. the last thing I want is a tape drive or tape failure in the field. And I know that yes, mechanical systems WILL fail on you (day job is in computing.. I know about 'failures' all right). Score one for the flash based systems.

Cost is an issue, the older GL2 is going to run me about twice of what the HF100 will. I'll pay for it if it is absolutely worth it.

So which would you recommend - older GL2 or newer HF100?
 

GL2 for sure will be better in low light. Actually, best camera for the job is the Sony VX2000/2100 cos it is excellent for shooting in low light. You should be able to get one second hand.

If you go for HD, the HV30 is still easier to manage than HF100 because it is HDV rather than AVCHD. I know you don't like tapes but they do give you a back-up automatically whereas if you are hard disk based you may need somewhere to store all that footage long-term.

Anyway, if tapes are the deciding factor that rules out the HV30 for you, then the GL2 is also out and then you don't really have any option but the HF100.
 

Thanks, that does help. I'm not 100% against tape, just that I hear too much about Canon's supposedly infamous tape transport problems on the GL2 such as "Remove tape" errors. It could all be overblown, or it could be real. Hmm...

I've been reading a bit and the GL2 looks good. GL2/XM2 owners.. share your thoughts please :)
 

Hi sloth. I'm using the canon XH-A1, and I'd heard about these remove tape errors affecting the A1 as well. I had been using my cam for over 18 months without seeing this, then suddenly it popped up a couple of weeks ago. Usually I change the tape with the cam switched off, but this one time, I changed it with the power on, and that's when I got the message. I immediately switched off the power and tried again, and it's been OK since then. Don't know if that's a general observation, but it could be that the cam doesn't like the tape being changed with the power on.
 

Hmm, that means I might be able to avoid that problem by taking a little bit of care with the tape. Will implement your suggestion as well as the stick-to-one-brand one that I've been reading about. Thanks! I may yet get the GL2 or rather the XM2.

Has anybody heard of dealuseek?
 

Thanks for your help again. I picked up the HF100 in the end.

Wanted to share a bit of what I have learned in case it helps anybody else. These are of course my own opinions and my own needs - if you already know exactly what you need, then you probably don't need to read this thread ;)

- SD vs HD, I also thought long and hard about this. The GL2 is a great camera. The pro manual controls are awesome. It looks great (ie. non tourist). The problem arose when I saw SD vs HD output. I couldn't believe my eyes at how much clearer HD was, even shot with a consumer camera vs a GL2. Indoors AND outdoors. No contest. My budget does not permit an XH-A1, much as I would dearly love to have that camera. If I had the money the thread would not even be posted, I would just buy it and be done with it, no need to think so much :)

- AVCHD is 'close enough' to HDV tape in terms of technical quality. Yes there are minor differences, no they do not make enough difference to me. It is all a compromise anyway (see my comment about XH-A1)...

- AVCHD is not as hard to edit as previously made out to be. Lots of good software packages support AVCHD this year (2008). Last year it was a different story.

- I have a digital workflow already in place for my cameras so it is not a hardship to archive my data. I built a NAS at home for storing images off my DSLRs which are already flash based. The NAS will scale to accomodate whatever video I put on it

- SD flash isn't that expensive. I planned to re-use tapes, which would probably screw me in the long run ;) now no need for tape, full stop.

- No viewfinder on the HF100. Good luck with the LCD.

- It's nice and small and fits nicely in the hand. Very small and easy to operate even for a video novice. My Av, Tv controls are all there.
 

- It's nice and small and fits nicely in the hand. Very small and easy to operate even for a video novice. My Av, Tv controls are all there.
When you add a decent wide angle lens, it will not be small anymore :)
 

When you add a decent wide angle lens, it will not be small anymore :)

Added liao :) - bought the 37mm-threaded Canon WA adapter for it at the same time.

But my definition of 'big' is the Canon EF 100-400 on a 40D.. so the HF100 is still small! :D
 

Added liao :) - bought the 37mm-threaded Canon WA adapter for it at the same time.

But my definition of 'big' is the Canon EF 100-400 on a 40D.. so the HF100 is still small! :D
Can I ask where did you get your WA convertor and how much would it cost please. Thanks.
 

Added liao :) - bought the 37mm-threaded Canon WA adapter for it at the same time.

But my definition of 'big' is the Canon EF 100-400 on a 40D.. so the HF100 is still small! :D

Yup, I, too, like to know where you purchased the Canon wide-angle adapter and for how much.

I too have the HF-100 and I think it's awesome! The video that I took during my Bali trip last month looks fantastic on HDTV.
 

Will the video be clearer than SD even though I do not use a HDTV?
 

Will the video be clearer than SD even though I do not use a HDTV?

If you watch it as SD it will be SD. If you watch it on a PC you can get higher resolution.
 

It's good to see that HF100 has a filter size of 37mm. HV20/30 uses 43mm, and the stupid Canon wide converter lens WD-H43 is as heavy as the body, and more expensive.
 

may i ask why you chose the hf-100 over the hf-10 ? is it the cost savings of not having onboard memory (and buying seperate cards) significant enough?
i am based in aust right now, not sure about the market prices here.. :confused:
 

may i ask why you chose the hf-100 over the hf-10 ? is it the cost savings of not having onboard memory (and buying seperate cards) significant enough?
i am based in aust right now, not sure about the market prices here.. :confused:

I flew mine in from the US. $649 vs $794. That nearly US$150 difference will buy me at least 32GB of memory plus kopi - I bought my cards local from an authorized dealer at S$55 per 8GB :)
 

thanks for sharing :) did you get the BP-819 battery for more juice?
was actually contemplating either this model (hf10/100) and the sony HDR-SR11..

the size of the sony is kinda prohibitive for casual travelling..
anyone knows the street pricing of the canon model in sg?
 

Definitely get the BP819. It was out of stock at the US site, and haven't managed to find one locally. Almost tempted to get some electronics guy to help me source one barrel connector and hook up my own 8.4V NiMH pack ;)

Bulky, but cheaper and better for nailed-to-the-tripod shoots. I can buy humongous capacity for the price of a BP819.
 

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