Moving from 350D to 1Dinosaur

[fWord]

Well, here's another of those threads. Initially I wanted to make a leap from the 350D to a 1D MKII but found it pretty much beyond my reach, hence I am settling for lesser. Depending on whether I get to sell my EF-S 17-85mm or not, I'm thinking of selling off my 350D to get a 1D.

So, would anyone know how much an EOS 1D in good shape (condition 9 or 10) normally retails for? I tried to search the B&S to find the trend, but the search function doesn't allow me to search for it.

Anyway, this is also an indication to trade. *hint hint* If anyone wants to ditch their 1D and get a 350D +/- EF-S 17-85mm, drop me a PM and we might be able to work out something.

Thanks for looking, and hope you can help.

 

[Stoned]

Roughly just over 2k on CS BnS.

 

[fWord]

Roughly just over 2k on CS BnS.

Thanks. I'm hoping to find one that is well-kept, and hopefully with not too high a mileage. No point getting something that will need fixing (replacement of a shutter or the sensor) in a matter of months.

 

[Splutter]

Rem to factor in the cost of the batteries bro. Even the 3rd party ones can come expensive and the 1D drains quite a bit of batts.

 

[enghong17]

Shutter replacement is about 300 bucks which lasts for around 100,000 so that's not as much a worry as batteries which costs 80++ bucks a piece and with the 1D u need at least 2-3.

 

[fWord]

Rem to factor in the cost of the batteries bro. Even the 3rd party ones can come expensive and the 1D drains quite a bit of batts.

Thanks for the advice on that. Yes, I read the dinosaur eats batteries. Usually I hardly ever shoot 200 pics or more at a time, so that's pretty alright I guess.

 

[fWord]

Shutter replacement is about 300 bucks which lasts for around 100,000 so that's not as much a worry as batteries which costs 80++ bucks a piece and with the 1D u need at least 2-3.

Thanks. That is good to know. If that's the case then a shutter is not too problematic. Only thing is that this is going to be my only camera when I get it, and don't want it failing on me on the trip to New Zealand. At least the replacement cost isn't sky-high.

 

[fWord]

Alright. I need to find a way to find out the shutter count of a 1D. Did a search and came up with almost nothing. All they say is to either send it down to the service center or use software. Doesn't say what software. So would anyone be able to suggest to me how I can find out the shutter count of a camera from home? Thanks...please put me out of my misery regarding this.

 

[enghong17]

Alright. I need to find a way to find out the shutter count of a 1D. Did a search and came up with almost nothing. All they say is to either send it down to the service center or use software. Doesn't say what software. So would anyone be able to suggest to me how I can find out the shutter count of a camera from home? Thanks...please put me out of my misery regarding this.

Canon Service Centre. $20+ bucks. No other way.

 

[ST1100]

There's a little program called ExifReader that reads and displays the 'unknown' fields in the exif. For the 1-series, look under "Unknown(0093)", the shutter count is the (second number) x 65535 + third number. For example, if the second and third numbers are 1 and 4005, the shutter count is 1x65535 + 4005, or 69540.

The program is by Ryuuji Yoshimoto and can be found at www.takenet.or.jp/~ryuuji/

If you cannot find the program drop me a PM with your email. i can send you an older version.

 

[ST1100]

(Hmmm, cannot edit previous post...)

You can also send me a recent picture from the 1D, and i can check the shutter count for you.

 

[Jeff]

transition from a 350 to a 1d will be a shock for u. not many can look beyond the mega pixel and if ur exposure is not polished, u will get nasty grain known as noise.

unless u r prepared to go through an exposure learning curve and not to mention the mass, i dun see why u would like to commit urself like this.

if looking for one just to shoot once in a blue moon, i suggest u stick to ur 350. more than sufficient for ur occassional 200/300 shots.

those whom i know has very little regard for the shutter count. if that bothers u, again reconsider.

it's not about what others have i must get one. not about price is low i must get one...

remember it's a hobby, if it starts showing signs of strain or burden, then u gonna pull all those stops. not worth it.

 

[fWord]

Canon Service Centre. $20+ bucks. No other way.

Yes, that's what I heard regarding the cameras other than the 1 series. Pretty silly though. Heard that Nikon users can readily check it with a user-friendly software such as Opanda.

 

[fWord]

There's a little program called ExifReader that reads and displays the 'unknown' fields in the exif. For the 1-series, look under "Unknown(0093)", the shutter count is the (second number) x 65535 + third number. For example, if the second and third numbers are 1 and 4005, the shutter count is 1x65535 + 4005, or 69540.

The program is by Ryuuji Yoshimoto and can be found at www.takenet.or.jp/~ryuuji/

If you cannot find the program drop me a PM with your email. i can send you an older version.

Thanks for your help. Found the program and installed it but most characters turned out looking funny. I can't tell if its really working since the only images on this public computer are from the 10D.

I'll try to get hold of a recent picture and see what can be done. Can JPEG do, or must it be a RAW file? If I fail to get the numbers, I'll get in touch with you again.

 

[fWord]

transition from a 350 to a 1d will be a shock for u. not many can look beyond the mega pixel and if ur exposure is not polished, u will get nasty grain known as noise.

unless u r prepared to go through an exposure learning curve and not to mention the mass, i dun see why u would like to commit urself like this.

if looking for one just to shoot once in a blue moon, i suggest u stick to ur 350. more than sufficient for ur occassional 200/300 shots.

those whom i know has very little regard for the shutter count. if that bothers u, again reconsider.

it's not about what others have i must get one. not about price is low i must get one...

remember it's a hobby, if it starts showing signs of strain or burden, then u gonna pull all those stops. not worth it.

Thanks...sound advice there. Made me do a double-take but I think I'll still make a go at it. Life is about experiences and I guess it doesn't hurt to try this one. I've read about the noise and banding issues with the 1D, but given a lot of the other 'upgrades' I can learn to live with it. Regarding exposure issues, wouldn't the camera expose correctly in MOST instances on evaluative metering? I understand that there are cases where exposure compensation must be taken into account and that I also need to be aware of scenes with predominantly white or dark tones.

The shutter count is a bother to me because after getting a camera, I'll familiarize myself with it and take it with me for a trip to New Zealand...it's a fairly big holiday with a bunch of family members, and getting good photos is pretty much near the top of the list. So I need some assurance that the camera can last through that without failing. Of course a camera may fail at any time regardless of shutter count, but this is one thing out of the picture.

It's definitely true that the 1D is an upgrade in some senses, and a downgrade in some others, but I'm prepared to make the adjustment...not just for the price, or not because some people have it, but because I want the exposure and experience. Now when it seems within my reach I can finally fulfill that wish to try something new.

 

[lightning]

Thanks...sound advice there. Made me do a double-take but I think I'll still make a go at it. Life is about experiences and I guess it doesn't hurt to try this one. I've read about the noise and banding issues with the 1D, but given a lot of the other 'upgrades' I can learn to live with it. Regarding exposure issues, wouldn't the camera expose correctly in MOST instances on evaluative metering? I understand that there are cases where exposure compensation must be taken into account and that I also need to be aware of scenes with predominantly white or dark tones.

The shutter count is a bother to me because after getting a camera, I'll familiarize myself with it and take it with me for a trip to New Zealand...it's a fairly big holiday with a bunch of family members, and getting good photos is pretty much near the top of the list. So I need some assurance that the camera can last through that without failing. Of course a camera may fail at any time regardless of shutter count, but this is one thing out of the picture.

It's definitely true that the 1D is an upgrade in some senses, and a downgrade in some others, but I'm prepared to make the adjustment...not just for the price, or not because some people have it, but because I want the exposure and experience. Now when it seems within my reach I can finally fulfill that wish to try something new.

I think your 350D can take good pics, not to sure what you see in the 1D that makes you feel that it will help you take good pics? Had many friends you took the plunge like you and end up reverting back to 350D and 20D. If I do a blind test on you, you probably will not be able to tell which picture is taken by which camera. 1D is already in the market for many years, and ususally such cameras are used by the "pros" so shutter count is not going to be low. Chances of it failing is also going to be high. 1D is a 4Mpix camera, the first think you are going to get use to is there is not much room to crop and the noise level is very high. at ISO 400, most of my friends already get a shock due to the noise. They have tried many noise reduction software, but still cannot get the result they expected.

I also just upgraded from my 10D, to 5D...went through the whole process of reviews and testing and many factors. Considered the 1DM2N, 1DM2, 1D.....but overall, interms of dynamic range and noise level, I find 5D is the best among all. Well in it is not a pro body, not weather seal and etc....but well I am not a pro so don't need a pro body.What I want is good quality pics.

A used 20D or 30D is a better bet if money is an issue. In my opinion, spend the $2K on a better lens will yield better result then a "pro" looking body.

 

[ST1100]

Thanks for your help. Found the program and installed it but most characters turned out looking funny. I can't tell if its really working since the only images on this public computer are from the 10D.

I'll try to get hold of a recent picture and see what can be done. Can JPEG do, or must it be a RAW file? If I fail to get the numbers, I'll get in touch with you again.

The shutter count info is only available on 1-series cameras; not 10D, not 20D, not 5D, etc.

 

[Belle&Sebastain]

I think your 350D can take good pics, not to sure what you see in the 1D that makes you feel that it will help you take good pics? Had many friends you took the plunge like you and end up reverting back to 350D and 20D. If I do a blind test on you, you probably will not be able to tell which picture is taken by which camera. 1D is already in the market for many years, and ususally such cameras are used by the "pros" so shutter count is not going to be low. Chances of it failing is also going to be high. 1D is a 4Mpix camera, the first think you are going to get use to is there is not much room to crop and the noise level is very high. at ISO 400, most of my friends already get a shock due to the noise. They have tried many noise reduction software, but still cannot get the result they expected.

I also just upgraded from my 10D, to 5D...went through the whole process of reviews and testing and many factors. Considered the 1DM2N, 1DM2, 1D.....but overall, interms of dynamic range and noise level, I find 5D is the best among all. Well in it is not a pro body, not weather seal and etc....but well I am not a pro so don't need a pro body.What I want is good quality pics.

A used 20D or 30D is a better bet if money is an issue. In my opinion, spend the $2K on a better lens will yield better result then a "pro" looking body.

:thumbsup: well i kindda agree with you. i feel that the TS only wants to buy the 1D more for the feel of things, well different users different needs.

i would say the 1D will feel great but it will take more knowledge to 'process' your files you wanted.

As for handling and stuff the 1D is great, i know cos i owned the 350 and the 1D before, but to process your high ISO images takes alot of knowledge esp the shadow details, you be shock to see the noise on your dark subjects, some like it, most do not.

frankly i see the 350D and 1D so different that i would keep the 350D if i would purchase the 1D and if your budget is thin i would advise you to be just happy with what you use.

The dinosuar drinks batteries and out on a trip, would you shoot less than 300 images a day? its a freaking fast camera with a low and high setting. i needed 4-5 batteries when i use it for assignments, thats $90 each ( the cheapest you can find in local market for 3rd party brands).

would you like the orginal view finder or a would like a more funky one, split screens, grids, that will set you back another $70

have flash? need one?

the 350D is perfect for trips, i hate to lug the dinosuar if i was you, minding the fact the charger is a size of a brick and if you want to buy the travel charger its another $200.

wow, so much more just for the batteries already.....

doesn't the 1Dmk2 sound a little more affordable now? 1500 shots ++ per charge.

well different ppl different thoughts.

the 1D image is sure classic, the feel is differernt.:thumbsup:

 

[Belle&Sebastain]

after going one big circle i honestly feel that 20D or 30D is a better all rounded camera than 1D, esp for amateures.

you are not losing anything if you do not shoot sports, fast lighting action.


even with the mk2n, sometimes i perfer to shoot with the 20D, lighter, cleaner images with high iso, can push better, 1D images can pull better.

the colours, are slightly different, but it take a trained eye to find out.

 

[canturn]

the colours, are slightly different, but it take a trained eye to find out.

Frankly, I still miss the CCD colour of the 1D, it's really rich and punchy. Don't be surprised, one of the very popular bridal photographer have been using a 1D since 2002 and still using it after a shutter overhaul. These folks paid like $10k for the 1D, and they don't see a reason to sell, really. Guess you think differently when you're a professional photographer.

Megapixel count is something that's over-rated, frankly. So many sport photographers been printing full spread with images from the 1D.

But Gilbert is right about the batteries of the 1D, it's a pain having to lug around 3 batts (and mind you, they're heavy), and sometimes I even bring along the charger to charge, just in case... Power management is not as great as the new generation 1 series and the camera does get heated up, esp when you burst continously.

For really clean images at high ISO, go for 5D, esp when your noise signature looks smaller on print since sensor size is much bigger.