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tribal.snake
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good camera, excellent handling
cost abt 1k i think
downside, no metering.
cost abt 1k i think
downside, no metering.
tribal.snake
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ah sorrie, i was thinking in USD
haha so should be abt 1.2-1.4 bah
think last time i saw at peninsula was abt 1.3 bah...
haha so should be abt 1.2-1.4 bah
think last time i saw at peninsula was abt 1.3 bah...
If you are looking for a first and must be a Leica, I suggest that you stretch a little more and get a M6, which has a meter. You might be able to find a pretty OK to mint condition at SGD1500~2000 here in cludsnap or in Pennisular.
Otherwise, for sub 1400, you can get a set together with lens at you know where.
M6 is still the body of choice for many RF photographers, excellent handling, weight, price/performance ratio if your budget is SGD2300 together with lens.
Otherwise, for sub 1400, you can get a set together with lens at you know where.
M6 is still the body of choice for many RF photographers, excellent handling, weight, price/performance ratio if your budget is SGD2300 together with lens.
of cos!
incase u miss the post on B&S:
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=353085&highlight=leica
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359701&highlight=leica
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=358896&highlight=leica
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351387&highlight=leica
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clubgrit
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Should be fine ... I've tried most Leica Ms and they all just really differ in build, features, and collectibility. M4-P is not highly sought after, but still good. I had it for about 2 weeks or so (but with lots of pics), it's just like an M4 without the timer and less build if I remember. The M4, BTW, is arguably the best built M.
I don't think you'll go wrong with any of the Leica Ms ... the weakest one for me is the M8, still obviously smooth digital look, especially in B&W, not for those who prefer the film look. YMMV.
They may have been the whisper-quiet kings in their day, but some of today's dslr and compacts are really quiet ...
Never tried Voigtlanders, but judging from the internet pictures from them (although scans are significantly inferior compared to a traditional print properly done), looks good too.
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On a side note, I was speaking to a Leica dealer where I was admiring the B&W prints on his wall. I asked some advice from him regarding exposure he used, and he said many of his Leica M film camera customers complain to him of blown highlights/backlights with Leica. He said that "Leica lenses are different, scared of the light, loves the dark, shadows". He advised exposing/averaging more on the highlights/backlights, and not the usual "expose on the shadows, develop for the highlights". Well, I've tried it and it works great, especially when printed traditionally. No success with other non-Leica lenses, though, still find it best to expose on the shadows. Again, YMMV, these are heretical thoughts
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I don't think you'll go wrong with any of the Leica Ms ... the weakest one for me is the M8, still obviously smooth digital look, especially in B&W, not for those who prefer the film look. YMMV.
They may have been the whisper-quiet kings in their day, but some of today's dslr and compacts are really quiet ...
Never tried Voigtlanders, but judging from the internet pictures from them (although scans are significantly inferior compared to a traditional print properly done), looks good too.
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On a side note, I was speaking to a Leica dealer where I was admiring the B&W prints on his wall. I asked some advice from him regarding exposure he used, and he said many of his Leica M film camera customers complain to him of blown highlights/backlights with Leica. He said that "Leica lenses are different, scared of the light, loves the dark, shadows". He advised exposing/averaging more on the highlights/backlights, and not the usual "expose on the shadows, develop for the highlights". Well, I've tried it and it works great, especially when printed traditionally. No success with other non-Leica lenses, though, still find it best to expose on the shadows. Again, YMMV, these are heretical thoughts
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mine should be within ur budget?
thinking bernard, thinking... its weird but I am leaning towards a meterless camera just for the fun of being low-tech. Let you know soon !
sim4nee
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I sold my M4-P with MR meter + 50mm Sumicron at ebay for USD1500+, regretted ever since. Apart from the meter there are no different between M4-P and M6. Although I put the meter on the camera but I hardly use it, cause my judgment of exposure never more or less than 1/2 a stop and most importantly the lens, even when the neg wasn't exposed correctly but the details still quite good. If you are really interested there a few things you might want to know as there are a few version in M4-P one of them you can check http://cameraquest.com/m4pm6.htm . The most collectible is M4-P 70th Anniversary. Any info about Leica Ms http://cameraquest.com/classics.htm Camera Quest site has many info about Leica.
alternatve
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Sunny 16 is your best friend. After much practice, I find it only slightly problematic to brain meter. Its also easier to compensate then by using a DSLR. I am using negs though, so my mistakes can be easily covered up.
Btw, I am contemplating selling my Leica here: http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363565
Samuel
Btw, I am contemplating selling my Leica here: http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363565
Samuel
kingsley244
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User condition can get for 1k. I know of one for sale.
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