leica r series?


reviveramesh

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i want to get one of the r series leica cameras - i keep seeing them in the IIhand camera shops and I am wondering if they are any good - and are they worth it??? ( is that considered a rangefinder?) - i want to experiment with some b&w photography and I was looking to connect with some group in Singapore who are doing this...i am particularly interested in old leica, canon cameras - but I have to admit I have no knowledge or experience ...any advice for a newbie to film?
 

Hi,

Most people usually use Leica Rangefinder versus the SLRs, mainly because of the features of the rangefinder which SLR can't do properly:
* small in size = unobtrusive (this point cannot be overstated, every heard of the phrase, "the DSLR camera is so powerful and so big that hardly anyone brings it out anymore ?")
* Rangefinder focusing. This allows, in my opinion, more accurate focusing in low light than DSLR.
* No mirror slap ensures better composition. This point is debatable but people do bring this up as a reason for RF.

Having said that Old R series are fine cameras....if you like SLRs.

The only reasons to use Leica R series versus other SLRs are:
* superior build found in Leicaflex SL, SL2, and R6 onwards
* r3,r4, r5 were OEMed. They aren't bad, its just that they aren't as mechanical as the above mentioned.
* The use of original Leica R Lens

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I am using the R4s. Lots of info on the net in regards to the R series. The beauty of R series is the prices on those R summilux are cheaper than the M series. That's the main reason I bought the R series. I had a 35 Summicron before and lovely lens. Some said as good as the M series. Currently using a 50 Summicron f2 and 50 Summilux and uses the R4s mainly for AE. The R lenses are perfect match for Canon bodies if you shoot digital. Lots of great pics on flickr for u to verify.

The R series are generally not as durable as the M series and Leica is not strong in terms of electronic stuffs. If you want full mechanical R body aka the M series, get the R6 for max 1/1000s speed or R6.2 for 1/2000s speed or the older Leicaflex. Do note some newer R lenses are not compatible with the flex. The R8 and R9 are generally more superior than the earlier series, but the built is modern DSLR size.

If you just want to start off with a Leica SLR, focus your cost on the lenses. Get a cheaper R body like RE or R4s which essentially have less electronic options and are regarded as more reliable. However these are pretty much electronic bodies meaning once battery die the camera is not usable except one speed - 1/125s. No difference in whether they are made in Portugal or Germany.

Another option is to get an old film Canon EOS body and use the R lenses with adaptor.

I don't really use my R4s much now, mainly focusing on my M gears and using Nikon F3HP for SLR stuffs. The R lenses can also be converted to Nikon mount but mine didn't get converted successfully.

One of my favorite photographer shoots mainly Leica R6 series. Sebastiao Salgado.
 

i want to get one of the r series leica cameras - i keep seeing them in the IIhand camera shops and I am wondering if they are any good - and are they worth it??? ( is that considered a rangefinder?) - i want to experiment with some b&w photography and I was looking to connect with some group in Singapore who are doing this...i am particularly interested in old leica, canon cameras - but I have to admit I have no knowledge or experience ...any advice for a newbie to film?
unfortunately, the leica R is not rangefinder camera. as pointed out, it is a SLR.

i'm am sympathetic that there does not appear to be a real home for film SLRs on CS... the mods and admins are looking into it. ;)
 

unfortunately, the leica R is not rangefinder camera. as pointed out, it is a SLR.

i'm am sympathetic that there does not appear to be a real home for film SLRs on CS... the mods and admins are looking into it. ;)

Yeah it will be good to cater to this small segment! :thumbsup:
 

unfortunately, the leica R is not rangefinder camera. as pointed out, it is a SLR.

i'm am sympathetic that there does not appear to be a real home for film SLRs on CS... the mods and admins are looking into it. ;)

Ed, how about a sub-forum just for film cameras of all type, like what they have in Leica Forum?
 

Yeah it will be good to cater to this small segment! :thumbsup:

Ed, how about a sub-forum just for film cameras of all type, like what they have in Leica Forum?
thanks for the suggestions. all that i will say for now is that the admin and mods are working on it, but resources are currently tight with most of it channelled toward the planning and preparation for CS Live @ SAM 2010 at the end of the month. but let's not clutter this thread, if anyone has any feedback, you can always pm me.

reviveramesh - apologies of the side discussion, although not totally off topic. i just wanted to inform that we are working to better cater for these film users. however, back on topic of R system, i would have to leave it to those who have more experience with the R system...
 

Hi,

I use a R9 to compliment the M system for 2 main reasons - macro and telephoto. You will find the same build quality of the M in the R8 or R9s. You will be able to do precise focus adjustments as the lenses are built like m lenses. The split image screen is also super clear and precise.

One of the main draws is that as this is already a dead end system the prices of lenses are cheap. IMO the prices are much better overseas. Look up the L-camera forum.
 

The Leica R series have been designed and built to the same standard as the M series. However, Leitz ( predecessor of Leica) was very slow in entering the SLR market. By the time it launched first reflex, Leicaflex Standard, the Japanese such as Nikon with its F series were way ahead.

The Leicaflex SL/SL2 were great cameras, among the best SLRs ever built, especially the SL with its very bright and contrasty viewfinder. However, these cameras are getting to be very old (30-40 years) and there could be issues with the Cds meter and the pentaprism. Cds cells are known to age and would fail after a certain a number of years. The reflective silver coating on the pentaprism could start to delaminate. All these are costly repairs or in the case of Cds, almost impossible to repair as this type of cell has longed ago been replaced with silicon photodiode.

The first electronic R camera was the R3. This was based on the Minolta XE1, but reworked by Leitz with its own mirror module and metering. The camera was solidly built and very rugged. I bought a used one as a back-up to my R4. However, unless you can make certain its meter works accurately and its match needle is not sticky, I would suggest looking at the newer R series.

The R4-7 were based on the Minolta XD7 chassis. Avoid R4 with S/N below 1,600,000. These are known to have electronics problems. However, by now most of these could have gone to the SLR heaven! The 5 or 7 is a choice if you prefer a more compact body with AE exposure controls. The electronics have been improved opver the previous R series. If you prefer a fully mechanical R the only choices are the R6 and R6.2, the latter having 1/2000s and more sensitive metering. I used to have the 6.2. Great camera with an excellent viewfinder. But I found this to be too small when using larger zoom or telephoto lenses.

My favourite R series is the R8 or R9. I bought the R8 when it came out and prefer this to the R6.2. In my opinion, the R8/9 has the best ergonomics among the R series. It can be large for someone with small hands, but it handles beautifully and it felt solid as a rock. I used my R8 with the DMR for several years and the quality of the files are amazing. In some ways, the 16 bit DMR files are some of the best I have seen from any DSLR.

As for lenses, for a starter, a good choice is the 50mm Summicron, same design as the M version. For wide angle, the 28mm Elmarit (1st ver) is reasonably priced and when stopped down to mid-apertures performed very well. However, should you decide to use this with a ff dslr in the future, the edge and corner performance are not comparable to modern lenses. The 2nd ver is much better, but more expensive. For the 90mm, the Elmarit version is a great lens, comparable to the M version. My favourite is the 90'Cron, which at f2.0 has the soft, lovely bokeh but when stopped down to 5.6 becomes very sharp. The 90 Apo-Asph is also available with the R mount should you need this type of performance.

If you need ultrawide angle, the 19mm Elmarit, 2nd ver is still excellent. This is my favourite wide angle with the DMR. Although it does show softness and vignetting in the corners at f2.8 and f4.0 with ff sensors, but its centre is very sharp and by 5.6 its performance improves greatly.

The strength of the R systems are its Apo telephoto lenses. The Apo Macro 100mm is still considered the best macro lens in its class. The Apo-Telyt 280 F4.0 which is now almost legendary has a resolution limit of 500lp/mm or 1000 lines/mm! I have the Apo Telyt 180/2.8 and even at full aperture its resolution is outstanding.

Let us know which R camera and lenses you decide and good luck to your selection.

N.S. Ng

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