just bought a used 1D

[shinken]

If not for the noise levels of the 1D, I would have it by my side already...

Expose properly and you can shoot at ISO 1600 with Noise Ninja applied. See for yourself. I don't have a picture now, but if it's gonna help anyone make the decision, I can try to get one posted tonight.

Another drawback is no zooming during preview. Some found it a disadvantage as they use the zoom to check focus accuracy. Though I found the LCD to be too low res to tell, even for 20D. I don't find the review time too slow, as compared to 10D and D60. Still usable, if you review. I will try blowing up large poster size after a shoot in June to see the limits of 4mp. Currently, I prefer enlargements of 1D over 20D for 8R and 10R. Personal preference of course.

 

[unseen]

When you shoot raw... say at sports.. at 8FPS... That may easily amount to over 200+ raw files to process in a day.
Unless you have a powerful dual core.. Good luck to you. if you have a deadline hanging over your head and you shot raw... It's likely that'll be the last time you'll shoot raw.

Of course, if you have plenty of time, plenty of memory cards and plenty of HDD space, shooting raw is good.

 

[sequitur]

When you shoot raw... say at sports.. at 8FPS... That may easily amount to over 200+ raw files to process in a day.
Unless you have a powerful dual core.. Good luck to you. if you have a deadline hanging over your head and you shot raw... It's likely that'll be the last time you'll shoot raw.

Of course, if you have plenty of time, plenty of memory cards and plenty of HDD space, shooting raw is good.

uh... sorry to burst your bubble, but 1D raw files are only about 3.5mb, which winds up to being the same size as a 10D jpg.... and yes 1D jpegs are only about 1.7mb...


so without having to do the math, a 1D shooting entirely raw on a 2GB cf card should get you at least 500 images per CF card...


and because the RAW file is quite small size so you don't really need some super duper processor.. of course the processing can kill, so helps if you a good raw batch conversion program that can do most of the tricks.

 

[Wai]

uh... sorry to burst your bubble, but 1D raw files are only about 3.5mb, which winds up to being the same size as a 10D jpg.... and yes 1D jpegs are only about 1.7mb...


so without having to do the math, a 1D shooting entirely raw on a 2GB cf card should get you at least 500 images per CF card...


and because the RAW file is quite small size so you don't really need some super duper processor.. of course the processing can kill, so helps if you a good raw batch conversion program that can do most of the tricks.

erm...i have 1D RAW file almost 5MB , (remember, RAW files are losslessly compressed so for images with lots and details, the file size will be bigger)

even jpeg, it can be very large too, I dun have side-by-side comparison with 10D (cos i sold my 10D before getting 1D), but generally the file size for 1D and 10D are about the same (given similiar scene)

btw, dun forget no matter how small are the RAW files, u still need to output it as jpeg before you send it to print. Even if the exposure, composition and WB is right-on, you still need to open them and process it...when you have deadline to meet and lots of photo to submit, the processing time will be very costly.

 

[shinken]

Yep. Size in terms of both practicality in storage as well as post-processing.

Found a hugh 1D print:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=7211464

That's it for me. I'm gonna print 20 x 30 for my shoot.

 

[ray_stinger]

the amazing thing about 1d is that it produces very good out of the camera jpg files that you dun need raw most of the time!

 

[Wai]

Yep. Size in terms of both practicality in storage as well as post-processing.

That's it for me. I'm gonna print 20 x 30 for my shoot.

I know people frequently ask "how big can a 1D print go?". I recently had the opportunity to find out. I had the opportunity recently to work on a print job for Andrew Cutraro. Andy is a PJ for the St.Louis Post-Dispatch and was embeded with a marine unit in Kuwait and then into Iraq and ultimately Baghdad. He carried two Canon 1D cameras, shot and uplinked his photos with a sat phone. Incidently, Andy reports the camera's and len's worked flawlessly during his 3 months in mud, dust, sandstorms, etc... (of course we all expected that right? although they needed to be shipped back to Canon for a serious cleaning.

On his return he had an incredible portfolio of war photography and was asked to do an exhibition of that work. These are high impact images with tons of detail and we decided to see how large we could print them. They were printed using an Epson 7600 pigment ink on archival matte paper. Some images held up well at 20X30 others were done at 11X16 because they would fall apart at larger sizes (or just didn't scream to be bigger). This is not to say the prints are perfect- many exhibit some degree of noise, although frankly this looks a lot like film grain and is not really objectionable. In any case, the resulting prints which were converted to B&W have been receiving a lot of praise and several have been sold already. I should add that the original files were .jpg (he needed to conserve space and couldn't carry extra HD's) and needed to keep the file size small for quick transmission to his paper.

http://photo.rehorst.com/printservice/pscutraro.htm

Not everyone can push their camera to the limit and get the best out of every pixel....but I am sure this guy did, and the 1D still work flawlessly after 3 mths in the war zone

 

[weesiong]

just curious.. how much did u get the 1d for?

 

[unseen]

so without having to do the math, a 1D shooting entirely raw on a 2GB cf card should get you at least 500 images per CF card...

and because the RAW file is quite small size so you don't really need some super duper processor.. of course the processing can kill, so helps if you a good raw batch conversion program that can do most of the tricks.

imagine 500 images, and a slow machine.
batch conversion, each takes 20 seconds to process/output on a slow machine.
Imagine your deadline being 2 hours away. And you've not picked the 30 images to submit.

 

[Hexlord]

imagine 500 images, and a slow machine.
batch conversion, each takes 20 seconds to process/output on a slow machine.
Imagine your deadline being 2 hours away. And you've not picked the 30 images to submit.

Alamak.. that's very rushed liao... :sweat: :sweat:

 

[szekiat]

u think thats rushed? I remember shooting at a big rugby game once and the press guys around me were uploading photos at halftime. Heck, one of them had a vodafone mobile modem and was uploading constantly throughout the game. Also, immediately after the game, everyone was uploading their stuff liao. By the time i left 1hr after, everyone was done. And i think some of us shot more than 500+ shots that evening.

 

[sequitur]

imagine 500 images, and a slow machine.
batch conversion, each takes 20 seconds to process/output on a slow machine.
Imagine your deadline being 2 hours away. And you've not picked the 30 images to submit.

lol

okay whatever you say yah ?



i thought it usually went like you pick the 30 images you want from the thumbs then you process, but whatever happens..

 

[mpenza]

if u're rushed for time, just do jpg loh. dun think the jpgs will disappoint!!! tat's what i do with weddings on a 20D too.

 

[tOGGY]

imagine 500 images, and a slow machine.
batch conversion, each takes 20 seconds to process/output on a slow machine.
Imagine your deadline being 2 hours away. And you've not picked the 30 images to submit.

It is not that difficult to process the raw pics from a 1 D. A fast machine with one or two gig ram is needed. I normally dump around 50 pics a batch into the CS for conversion.

With experience, selecting 30 pics is not that difficult at all, if I know what I want. Probably one hour or less. However, I do use a larger ram memory, raid and an ok fast chip.

JPEG pics off 1D is great but the raw ones are superb. The camera algor conversion is not as great as those available with the newer software - CS etc. The added dimension of adjusting the exposure, colour temp etc in the raw mode is rather valuable for images made in difficult lighting condition.

The dynamic range of 1D ccd somehow beats those cmos by a margin. But the noise level at very high iso is very real when compared to what the Mark II can do. So noise ninja can be rather useful.

 

[trlnlty]

i got it from 920 usd + shipping on keh.com

condition was bargain.

 

[trlnlty]

It is not that difficult to process the raw pics from a 1 D. A fast machine with one or two gig ram is needed. I normally dump around 50 pics into each batch into the CS and select the pics I want.

With experience, selecting 30 pics is not that difficult at all, if I know what I want. Probably one hour or less. However, I do use a larger ram memory, raid and a ok fast chip.

JPEG pics off 1D is great but the raw ones are superb. The camera algor conversion is not as great as those available with the newer software - CS etc. The added dimension of adjusting the exposure, colour temp etc in the raw mode is rather valuable for images made in difficult lighting condition.

The dynamic range of 1D ccd somehow beats those cmos by a margin. But the noise level at very high iso is very real when compared to what the Mark II can do. So those noise ninja are useful.

out of point but i've always wanted someone's opinion on this. Is noise ninja better or neat image?

 

[shinken]

http://photo.rehorst.com/printservice/pscutraro.htm

Not everyone can push their camera to the limit and get the best out of every pixel....but I am sure this guy did, and the 1D still work flawlessly after 3 mths in the war zone

Saw his works too. And I read he uprez-ed from jpegs!