HD authoring on SD DVD


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Is there any consumer video editing software that does HD authoring and burn to a SD DVD?

I read with interest the announcement of Sony DVD Architect 5, but it does not say clearly whether the authoring applies to HD video for burning to SD DVD, and the software only comes with Vegas Pro and not Vegas Movie Studio Platinum Edition.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/news/ShowRelease.asp?ReleaseID=684

If no such authoring software available, I am thinking of getting the Vegas Movie Studio Platinum Edition (only S$85!)to do some editing of my HDV footage, but not sure if the edited footage can be burned like data files onto a SD DVD and play on a PS3, just like the m2t files. Any advice?

Thanks.
 

i use the ulead video studio 11+ to edit my HD footages from my panasonic SD5's m2t files. it can burn into SD DVD format and many other formats.
its much easier to use than the free s/w that came with the panasonic.
 

i use the ulead video studio 11+ to edit my HD footages from my panasonic SD5's m2t files. it can burn into SD DVD format and many other formats.
its much easier to use than the free s/w that came with the panasonic.
You mean it can burn HD video onto a SD DVD, right? What format are the files and where do you play the DVD on (BD player, HD DVD player)?

Can I check how much is the software?

Thanks.
 

once you burn HD video into std video DVD format, you lose lots of resolution
if you burn as HD format, you need somethings extra, e.g. blu ray player to play it and maybe a special DVD disk .... as you can see, I have tried this yet. I only format my HD footages into DVD std video format, and these can be played on most DVD players already.

Once I get that HD TV, will try HD blu ray players ......
 

I think you misunderstood what I was asking. Today I can already burn m2t files onto a SD DVD and play back from a PS3 in HD, without any loss of details. I am looking at DVD authoring on a SD DVD for HD content.
 

??? I think what you are doing is burning the .m2t files as data onto a 4.7 GB single layer DVD... that is in no way DVD authoring - or by the standards in any case. It wont be playable on generic dvd player... only on players that can read data discs and .m2t files.

If you are thinking of encoding Blu-ray type movie onto a single or double layer DVD instead of a blu-ray disc... i dun think it would be possible... or would it????
 

Haha... sorry... misunderstood/misread your original post. I suppose what you meant was a software for editing .m2t files and exporting either as .m2t again or a format readable by your ps3. As for burning, well, just use your burning software to burn a data disc.

With regards to whether the software mentioned exports .m2t. I suggest getting the info from the site (been to the sony site, but didnt mention about exporting .m2t) OR download the trial and test OR emailing their staff... in the event you dont get a 'timely' response from Vegas Users on this forum.
 

Current Vegas already can export as m2t, but the original question is about HD authoring to SD DVD with DVDA 5 which isn't released yet. At the moment, I don't know the answer to that.
 

Current Vegas already can export as m2t, but the original question is about HD authoring to SD DVD with DVDA 5 which isn't released yet. At the moment, I don't know the answer to that.
DVDA 5 will only be in Vegas Pro, which is too much for me. Is there other software in the market that can do it? If not, I would think I can save the edited project into a format and burn it onto a DVD, and play on a PS3. But what format would be the best with minimum loss?
 

Vegas Movie Studio Platinum supports HDV, so I thought it should also allow you to export as m2t file (haven't tried it though). It's quite a lot cheaper than Vegas Pro.
 

i use the ulead video studio 11+ to edit my HD footages from my panasonic SD5's m2t files. it can burn into SD DVD format and many other formats.
its much easier to use than the free s/w that came with the panasonic.

Hi MLSK,

does ur video looks gd when burn to SD DVD via VS 11?
I try a small clip & it looks abit pixelated on my LCD (HD Ready - 26").
did i do anything wrong,
from 1440x1080p mpeg -> Share -> output DVD Mpeg2 ?

sorry for e intrusion thread starter..:embrass:
I think u can edit a m2t file & output to a DVD, juz that can only playable on Bluray player or PS3 and it will be short due to dvd capacity....


cheers..
 

I think u can edit a m2t file & output to a DVD, juz that can only playable on Bluray player or PS3 and it will be short due to dvd capacity....

Hi Ralph. Yes you can edit HDV and output to a DVD, but you have a choice of output formats. A standard DVD is SD so if you render to an SD resolution MPEG2 file and author a DVD disc, the disc should play in any DVD player.

What you are referring to is rendering a HD file from your HDV project and burning it to a DVD-R disc. There is no authoring involved, and as you say the disc will play only on a BluRay player.
 

Hi Ralph. Yes you can edit HDV and output to a DVD, but you have a choice of output formats. A standard DVD is SD so if you render to an SD resolution MPEG2 file and author a DVD disc, the disc should play in any DVD player.

What you are referring to is rendering a HD file from your HDV project and burning it to a DVD-R disc. There is no authoring involved, and as you say the disc will play only on a BluRay player.

oh yes....i think u hv clear my statement...

btw...do u o/p to SD DVD from HDV?
does it look good...VS does look abit weird...as in not so sharp rather pixelated..

i read somewhere that i should only edit e raw HDV file in vs and then recode in another program like Tmpgenc to SD DVD..

any suggestions?
tks... :)
 

oh yes....i think u hv clear my statement...

btw...do u o/p to SD DVD from HDV?
does it look good...VS does look abit weird...as in not so sharp rather pixelated..

i read somewhere that i should only edit e raw HDV file in vs and then recode in another program like Tmpgenc to SD DVD..

any suggestions?
tks... :)

Hi Ralph. So far I have made many SD DVD and also VCD tracks from an HDV timeline. The results are very good, using Edius (mostly) and sometimes Vegas. Not sure what you mean by VS, (is it Video Studio?) can you please clarify?

Regarding what format of HDV to edit, I have used both HDV m2t files and Canopus HQ intermediary files. The HQ files give better playback performance during editing, but the final results from both m2t and HQ after rendering are quite similar. Probably I don't do much processing compared to some people, mostly just some text overlay. If you do more complicated processing involving multiple generations then I expect the advantage of using the HQ codec would be higher.

If you use Sony Vegas, then Cineform codec can be used as an intermediary codec instead of Canopus HQ.

What kind of stuff are you working on?
 

Hi Ralph. So far I have made many SD DVD and also VCD tracks from an HDV timeline. The results are very good, using Edius (mostly) and sometimes Vegas. Not sure what you mean by VS, (is it Video Studio?) can you please clarify?

Regarding what format of HDV to edit, I have used both HDV m2t files and Canopus HQ intermediary files. The HQ files give better playback performance during editing, but the final results from both m2t and HQ after rendering are quite similar. Probably I don't do much processing compared to some people, mostly just some text overlay. If you do more complicated processing involving multiple generations then I expect the advantage of using the HQ codec would be higher.

If you use Sony Vegas, then Cineform codec can be used as an intermediary codec instead of Canopus HQ.

What kind of stuff are you working on?

hi jaegersing

i juz doin simple editing from my travel video.
so using mostly free or simpler prog. (vs- videostudio).

tried using e VS and encode into DVD mpeg2 after some editing to c e results
(very new to HDV - using Canon HV20 ntsc)
when i playback e file on a DVD player.. e video quality is rather dull...not as sharp even thou it has been stepdown from 1440x1080 to 720x480 ntsc res.

n fast movement has this interweave effect as well..
 

HI Ralph. If you are using HV20 you should be able to get great results. Are you shooting progressive or interlaced? If your stuff has a lot of movement it is probably better to shoot interlaced which is not so stuttery as progressive.

Is your camera a PAL or NTSC type? If you are converting from PAL to NTSC frame rates you will get degradation for sure, and of course SD is never going to be as sharp as HD, which is why it is called HD ha ha.

The interweave effect is most likely due to interlacing problem, or maybe PAL/NTSC conversion. Either way, should be possible to improve on it if you can let me know the type of camera (i.e. PAL - NTSC) and project/render settings.
 

HI Ralph. If you are using HV20 you should be able to get great results. Are you shooting progressive or interlaced? If your stuff has a lot of movement it is probably better to shoot interlaced which is not so stuttery as progressive.

Is your camera a PAL or NTSC type? If you are converting from PAL to NTSC frame rates you will get degradation for sure, and of course SD is never going to be as sharp as HD, which is why it is called HD ha ha.

The interweave effect is most likely due to interlacing problem, or maybe PAL/NTSC conversion. Either way, should be possible to improve on it if you can let me know the type of camera (i.e. PAL - NTSC) and project/render settings.

hi,
i m using a ntsc model.. will try to check out e interlaced option..
was suspecting tt e prob could be ntsc/pal conversion issue...cos after i render to ntsc dvd..pic becomes better... :)

basically i juz edit e raw mpeg2 captured directly
> render to dvd mpeg2
720x480,
29.97fps
Lower field 1st
16:9 aspect ratio

cheers...
 

Hi Ralph. Try Upper Field First. Both HVD MPEG2 and DVD MPEG2 use Upper, so might make a difference to your interlacing problem. Only SD DV files are Lower Field First but if you are shooting HDV you will not be using that.

By the way, when you say "raw MPEG2 captured directly", do these files have m2t suffix? If they don't, then it could be that VS is converting them during the capture, which is not really what you want. Something to check.
 

...your interlacing problem. Only SD DV files are Lower Field First but if you are shooting HDV you will not be using that.

By the way, when you say "raw MPEG2 captured directly", do these files have m2t suffix? If they don't, then it could be that VS is converting them during the capture, which is not really what you want. Something to check.

thks mate!!

will change to upper field to chk e results!

btw i saw this FAQ @ vs site:

Q: Do I need a special computer to edit HD video?
A: No... thanks to Smart Proxy. Smart Proxy converts all your HD video into smaller, easy-on-the-resources proxy files for you to edit. This is a lossless process, because the proxy files always refer back to the original, full-resolution high-definition files. Output your final production in superb quality HD. VideoStudio is the only consumer editing solution to include proxy editing for HD video.

Q: What is PureHD technology?
A: PureHD is Ulead's high definition technology. It's a complete HD solution, allowing you to:

1. Capture from all the latest HD camcorders
2. Edit your HD content as easily as DV with Smart Proxy
3. Author and output your HD projects to disc
4. Play back HD video right from your computer with high quality playback
5. Convert your standard definition video for use in your high-definition projects



does tt mean that i capture HDV as raw MPEG transport stream OR an intermediary codec?
cos i rem when i use gspot to chk e captured file type..it juz indicate mpeg2 n not m2t...
:sweat:
 

does tt mean that i capture HDV as raw MPEG transport stream OR an intermediary codec?
cos i rem when i use gspot to chk e captured file type..it juz indicate mpeg2 n not m2t...
:sweat:

m2t is also MPEG2, so Gspot may not help in this case. Does it tell you the data rate of the file? What is important is whether the video has been recompressed from the original m2t to make it smaller. If the file has not been recompressed, it should show around 180 MB for a one minute clip (HDV is 25Mb/s or 3.125MB/s). If it is much less than this it has been recompressed and the quality will have suffered as a result.

You could also try using HDVSplit (which is free). This will definitely capture as m2t without any degradation, and you can compare the results (using a short sample clip) with what you are currently getting. This will help to rule out (or identify) any recompression by VS.
 

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