Film > Digital Raw ?


artspraken

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I came across a very interesting paragraph by Ken Rockwell, and submit this for discussion.

KRW says that film is always original, whereas digital RAW is going to be obsolete.

Do you agree?

The Wizard of Oz was shot on film in 1939. Today it looks great on Blu-Ray High-Definition DVD.

All we had was radio in in 1939, so how did they know how to make High-Definition DVDs back then? They didn't, but by having the forethought to shoot on film, they knew they always could scan the original raw film images with better equipment in the future. This way we always get results which are to modern standards, regardless of when something was shot.

With film, we always have our original images.

With digital raw files, your images are forever locked into technology that was probably already obsolete as you shot them.

Credits to Mr. Rockwell.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/real-raw.htm
 

Forethought to shoot on film? I'd think they only have film to shoot on in 1939.

Technology changes, many people already consider film to be obsolete, but for us who are still using film, it will never be.

It's really up to the individual.
 

Rockwell does have a point when he says that.. With digital, there is totally no chance of up scaling the image you have just shot. If its 12mp, it will be 12mp for life. If 5 years back you were using a D2h, your pictures today would be considered technically obsolete. Contrast this to film - because film is of an analogue nature, its quality is limited by the size of the grain and the resolution of your lens. Because of this, film holds a large amount of latent information. With future advances in technology, we should be able to harness more information out of film. Digital on the other hand is limited by the state of technology; it is only able to harness up to what technology can feasibly provide. If they shot the wizard of oz back in '39 on digital (assuming they had the technology to) we will not have the blue-ray version today, don't say VCD quality..

Rockwell's concept of RAW(in the article) is different from what most digital photographers would usually understand it as. The catch is that he expects future technological advance would allow him to rework his "RAW" files to reproduce images of better quality. With today's "RAW", this is not achievable.

That said, film scanning technology hasn't progressed much in recent years.. partly due to the falling usage of film and to the convenience direct digital imaging brings about; besides that is where companies can earn the most in (keeping consumers in a perpetual cycle of upgrading). However, on the off chance that some new imaging technology is developed which enables film to be scanned at higher resolution with better quality, then people who have kept their films properly over the years can once again take them out and say "my image on film from 30 years back can still fight with what today's digital cameras are able to produce"
 

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Rockwell does have a point when he says that.. With digital, there is totally no chance of up scaling the image you have just shot. If its 12mp, it will be 12mp for life. If 5 years back you were using a D2h, your pictures today would be considered technically obsolete. Contrast this to film - because film is of an analogue nature, its quality is limited by the size of the grain and the resolution of your lens. Because of this, film holds a large amount of latent information. With future advances in technology, we should be able to harness more information out of film. Digital on the other hand is limited by the state of technology; it is only able to harness up to what technology can feasibly provide. If they shot the wizard of oz back in '39 on digital (assuming they had the technology to) we will not have the blue-ray version today, don't say VCD quality..

Rockwell's concept of RAW(in the article) is different from what most digital photographers would usually understand it as. The catch is that he expects future technological advance would allow him to rework his "RAW" files to reproduce images of better quality. With today's "RAW", this is not achievable.

That said, film scanning technology hasn't progressed much in recent years.. partly due to the falling usage of film and to the convenience direct digital imaging brings about; besides that is where companies can earn the most in (keeping consumers in a perpetual cycle of upgrading). However, on the off chance that some new imaging technology is developed which enables film to be scanned at higher resolution with better quality, then people who have kept their films properly over the years can once again take them out and say "my image on film from 30 years back can still fight with what today's digital cameras are able to produce"

I think (personally) this is one of the best thing I read lately with regards to photography. Maybe many out there already knew this, if so I am very slow then.. Really thought provoking.. thanks for sharing.. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: 4 x
 

To artspraken, i applaud you for sharing this, and also some other threads, thanks!
 

I think (personally) this is one of the best thing I read lately with regards to photography. Maybe many out there already knew this, if so I am very slow then.. Really thought provoking.. thanks for sharing.. :thumbsup: 4 x

haha,

found a good reason to use film?;)
 

I think (personally) this is one of the best thing I read lately with regards to photography. Maybe many out there already knew this, if so I am very slow then.. Really thought provoking.. thanks for sharing.. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: 4 x

Welcome:)
 

Topic a bit.... heehee up to you to fill in.

My suggestion is, use what you makes you happy. No point being a grumpy person end of the day.
 

haha,

found a good reason to use film?;)

Yeh, there’s always a reason to shoot.. any format for that matter.. for me as a hobbyist a bit of both digital and film help to get my perspective right.. now stop spreading poison zk-diq..

fluidr
 

Yeh, there’s always a reason to shoot.. any format for that matter.. for me as a hobbyist a bit of both digital and film help to get my perspective right.. now stop spreading poison zk-diq..

fluidr

oh !!! NO NO NO!

Only some potassium Ferricyanide, Potassium oxalate, Sodium Thiosulfate, hydroquinone, sodium Chloride, Caustic soda, Potassium Hydroxide, Mercuric Chloride, Formaldehyde, Silver Nitrate.
 

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