Extremely Disappointed With A Particular Clubsnapper!

[render]

Hi my dearest clubsnappers

As many of you are pissed with photographers or any clients leeching
your models and going through your models directly without your concern,

I'm here to raise about this topic and to create awareness
about this particular photographer, which i personally experienced recently.

Name: Zhiliang; photographer from clubsnap.

We first agreed on the following rules:

1) do not contact my models directly for assignments;
everything goes through me.
2) do not discuss rates with my models

and so on, which are not as important.

And he agreed so confidently and assured me to trust him.
Well I do trust most of my fellow clubsnappers. Don't I?

After a shoot which i organized with him for my model,
He contacted my model directly intending to go for yet another shoot
without me knowing [But luckily my model is very loyal to me and informed me about this incident. Of course, the next shoot did not go on then.]

And when my model insisted that he should go through me,

This was his reply:
"Huh? But Render very fierce. And she commission for the shoot."

Look, if i do not commission from assignments, then what for I own an agency?
Do not tell me that agencies do not commission. Bull shits i say.

And does agencies tell models how much they earn before commissioning?
They only allow models to know the after commissioned rate.
So what is with him claiming that I should let my models know how much they are earning before commission? BULLSHITS AGAIN I SAY.

Although I do often inform my models how much I do commission from them.
And for that, I do think i'm fairly nice enough.
If u think other agencies are doing that,
Again I say, BULLSHITS!

Even when organizers organise shoots, they commission and earn through it.
Then what? I eat grass and feed my models only?! :nono:


And when I got to know about him leeching my model,
I tried calling him.
But he was obviously too guilty to answer the call.

He claim that he is not afraid,
and that he have got nothing to lose
if I were to announce about this case to you people.
Neither do I! So here am I!

I'm very disappointed now. :cry: And I thought I should inform you people
about this photographer from clubsnap still,
because I strongly believe that there's justice.


Cheers!


Yours sincerely,
Render

 

[night86mare]

Always happens, I've worked for a tuition agency before..
Greed always gets the better of people. Works both ways.
You should be glad your model didn't just run away with the photographer. =D

 

[render]

Always happens, I've worked for a tuition agency before..
Greed always gets the better of people. Works both ways.
You should be glad your model didn't just run away with the photographer. =D

Haha.. yea. I always trusted my fellow clubsnappers,
as I've been working with u guys for quite some time already.
And I believe U guys are really reliable! Through all my previous gd experiences.

This incident really caused me to be very disappointed :cry:

 

[contaxable]

Render

Take it easy. Things do happen in this community. I am sure you have read my encounter with a pop corn.

Take care.

 

[render]

Render

Take it easy. Things do happen in this community. I am sure you have read my encounter with a pop corn.

Take care.

Haha! yea dear.
But sighs, things like tt really cause lotsa disputes and unhappiness.
Why can't people just keep to their agreement,
which would make everything simpler?

 

[vince123123]

I've encountered one case with a modelling agency where they told the model she's getting paid S$80, but they took S$300 from the client!!

However, not all agencies do NOT tell models the rate of commission. In fact, most of them have pre-agreed established commission rates - any deviation is actually a breach of contract.

That said, I know agencies who tell their model they take 20%, but end up they cut out much more than that.

 

[unseen]

Look, if i do not commission from assignments, then what for I own an agency?
Do not tell me that agencies do not commission. Bull shits i say.

And does agencies tell models how much they earn before commissioning?
They only allow models to know the after commissioned rate.
So what is with him claiming that I should let my models know how much they are earning before commission? BULLSHITS AGAIN I SAY.

Hmmmm... I'm just wondering, is your agency a real registered one? or not?
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Ok, thanks render for calling me up to clarify. :bsmilie:

In case anyone else is mistaken like me, no shoot happened. It's just that the enduser (zhiliang) tried to cut the middleman (render) out. O.O Well then, tough luck meeting such a client.
Next time sign black and white with client ba, tell them cannot approach the girls directly, since photographers also want models to sign model release. Then brief the girls not to give out contacts to anyone.

 

[simon80]

T.S ..
u think too much liao lah ..

he trying to date the model .. :bsmilie:

 

[nikonrus]

How much an agency pays the model and how much they commission for each/any project is entirely up to them. If they're not happy with each other's terms & condition, they do not have to sign on the dotted line.

I have no idea what went down between render & that guy, and I am not keen to know. But just this as a side thought, maybe that guy was captivated by the model that he's trying to get to know her better (if you get my drift). So having an agency invloved during his pursuit would not just burn a huge hole in his pocket, it'll make him a laughing stock. How would it sound if some years down the road and they get married (dinner held at the void deck) & someone asks how they got together and he says "She's a model and I had to pay the agency everytime I ask her out. If I didn't have to pay the agency, you guys would be eating this dinner at Tung Lok's instead of this void deck."

 

[wrx_sti_22b]

So in conculsion ? Zhiliang is a lustful & untrustworthy person. Is it ? :bsmilie:

 

[Sion]

T.S ..
u think too much liao lah ..

he trying to date the model .. :bsmilie:

Change name from Render Model Agency to Render Model and Dating Agency.

Now you can charge a photographer if his interest is outside photography.

 

[Sion]

.....brief the girls not to give out contacts to anyone.

What happens if the models fall for the handsomeness and the big long lenses the photographers have?

 

[wazzup]

T.S ..
u think too much liao lah ..

he trying to date the model .. :bsmilie:

Maybe cos this Zhiliang tried to date her models and not her? :bsmilie:

 

[Canonised]

What happens if the models fall for the handsomeness and the big long lenses the photographers have?

Wont happen unless he has nicks like Wills, joHo, imasaint, or even Sion ....:bsmilie: :sweatsm:

so will Zhiliang opens a new thread like, Regarding Render III ? :think:

 

[deckard]

What happens if the models fall for the handsomeness and the big long lenses the photographers have?

it's not how big and long the lens that matter, it is how you use it! :bsmilie:

 

[leejay]

There are codes of procedures in the modeling world. If I have a tight budget, I don't shoot. That's very simple. Never go by the backdoor. You may drag the model into hot oil with her company.

Photographers must also realize the separation between chasing a model and engaging the model for shoots. Anything regarding shooting, you have to go through her company and pay according to rates. Chasing her is another matter. You can ask her out for coffee or movie, etc. in private. Nobody will stop you. But never use a shoot outing to chase her (it isn't very romantic anyway).

We photographers have to know the rules. Models' phone numbers should only be used for urgent notification regarding absence, location, or stuff like that, shoot related.

 

[night86mare]

Change name from Render Model Agency to Render Model and Dating Agency.

Now you can charge a photographer if his interest is outside photography.

Cannot be so obvious!

Must put.. Render Model and Social Escort Agency!

In any case, yes, there are also agencies who play dirty.. Both sides have their stories to tell, I guess. But usually larger agencies with a reputation to uphold.. Will not put that reputation at risk lor.

 

[vince123123]

There apparently is a rather high proportion of small agencies and new startup agencies playing dirty. And the dirt can really get quite dirty.

Cannot be so obvious!

Must put.. Render Model and Social Escort Agency!

In any case, yes, there are also agencies who play dirty.. Both sides have their stories to tell, I guess. But usually larger agencies with a reputation to uphold.. Will not put that reputation at risk lor.

 

[microcosm]

It boils down to ethics. Unfortunately for Render, it turned out to be a bad encounter with a client. But take it easy girl, it happens all the time. I have taken up jobs through agencies in the past and the client come by and pass me name cards and asked me to call them direct saying that I can get paid more since I don't have to go through the agency anymore.

But in the end, they are only looking at cutting down their costs. Nobody wins when ethics are thrown out of the window.

Dancers used to get $300-$400 per show, and now... gee... I don't even want to talk about it openly in here. But that is the price to pay because of greed, because of the lack of ethics. Not to mention some really bad clients who refuse to pay the full amount at the end of the assignment because they are "unhappy with the results". Whatever... :dunno:

 

[night86mare]

There apparently is a rather high proportion of small agencies and new startup agencies playing dirty. And the dirt can really get quite dirty.

Correct, usually the new small ones always play cheat, because got nothing to lose.

At least for tuition industry lor, I know nothing much about modelling industry, only thing in common is that got agent. =D