D700, a900 & 5dmkii

[Kimura_papaya]

Huh...this is not my work :lovegrin:

i say the picture has a good speaker, takuya with D300, power! if nikon intro d60 must get a cute model like ayumi-san then.;p

 

[fabianaino]

i say the picture has a good speaker, takuya with D300, power! if nikon intro d60 must get a cute model like ayumi-san then.;p

hope they shot it in lanscape ...then can use as wallpaper ... :lovegrin:

 

[lsisaxon]

Hi CSers,

I can't understand why in this world of techonology where pixel war is of considerably importance and noise reduction comparrison is an on going discussion yet the D700 is still not over the 20MP mark.?

I'm fine with the 12.1 offered by D700, Just curious on why Nikon always seems slower in catching up except for the 1st DSLR which captures movie.

rdgs
SM

Nikon doesn't have their own fab to make their own sensor.

 

[lsisaxon]

maybe due to relying on sony to make them the sensor which make them fall back on technology.... forexample sony might not be telling them what sensor they were developing and so fort .. therefore nikon cant really plan ahead ... if u can recall there are a lot of article dunno weather its by nikon or not couple of year back maybe 3-5 year back saying full frame are no good and write 100 reason why 1.5x crop is good :sweatsm:

I think Sony is having a good relation with them. If I'm not wrong, the litho steppers for the full frame chips are supplied by Nikon.

The other obstacle is probably the corner resolution of the optics for FX. ;p

 

[faisalee]

u probably right, i think 12.1 or 12.3 is more than a decent range. 24mp can print up to A1 size poster provided u know how to edit the picture well. 12.3 can print a relatively decent A3 size or A2 size picture which is good enough for many user.

honestly, even my old D70 can still give me a decent stack sharp picture in 8 x 12R, so i think it is a matter of good lenses produce good picture not about the body.

21mp is definitely too crazy way i see, u need a good PC with big ram capacity and big HDD to archive as well as process the file.

A1 you say?

My friend printed a portrait A1 size that was shot with his D70s! The result is astonishing :bigeyes:

12mp are MOOOORE than enough to get high quality large prints!

Just remember the D2H days :sweat:

 

[carbon14]

SM dear,

historically, nikon has been in the "conservative domain" in product market and launching. u are right, nikon does launch "certain" technology like Digital sensor, ISO handling, picture process engine in Expeed, fairly later compare to its market competitor like Canon. Canon is always more aggressive in its marketting strategy.

but yet, take a look at why nikon does that. during film day, nikon produce its F series pro body once every 10 year interval, as to maintain its market position as leading producer for prof body camera. 10 years on RnD for a prof body is really no jokes.

unlike its competitor, canon, nikon done extensive researches and testing as to make sure its technology stable, that caused the delay to launching. being a nikon user from film day, i went thru not many, but F80, F100, d70, now D90, i can tell you something i am very sure of.

nikon is good in producing tack sharp lens (prime lens particularly, solid build in most nikon lenses), that is why its 2nd hand value good. Also, nikon's metering system, flash technology, and its shutter lifespan, design, its probably one of the prominent in the world. i am saying compare to its class in 35mm format. not medium nor large format.

in term of technology, nikon stable, consistent. Even before the newer model came up, nikon will stop production for its predessor model to maintain their value. so i am saying one thing good about nikon, their strategy never short changes their user, always keep good value for their gear. ask urself a question before u post that, if nikon lose in market, why there are still a lot of fans willing to stick through with her? its becos of its 90 years of extensive research and development experience in photography area.

Well, if nikon is really that great, why won't they even bother to develop their own image sensor but instead be held by the neck by sony? I rather think their product lanuch is slower because they are still waiting for sony, haha! Cost-effective measure for a leader in 35mm equip? hmm....

Can't dispute how well nikon were in the '80s and '90s. But until very recently, their DSLR line was really pale compare to Canon. I had quite a few nikon film camera myself, but never a DSLR yet.

Most die-hard fans talk about nikon glorious past, but I think we all need to be objective and not to mix emotion and preference over real performances. Till this day, I think nikon's jpeg alogrithm still sucks big time (yes, jpeg is impt!).

Notwithstanding, I am not here to start a fight, but hoping that nikon could do more to convince people like myself to switch back once again. Then we need not be at the mercy of Canon's marketing tactics.

Btw, anyone here want to sell their D200 at sub-1K price to me so I do not have to mount my old nikon lenses onto my Canon body with those troublsom adapters thingy? Can't understand why nikon do not allow the Dxx series to be compatible with their wonderfull old prime lenses. Even the cheapest canon DSLR could do that, this is a joke!:angry:

 

[lunas]

Well, if nikon is really that great, why won't they even bother to develop their own image sensor but instead be held by the neck by sony? I rather think their product lanuch is slower because they are still waiting for sony, haha! Cost-effective measure for a leader in 35mm equip? hmm....

Can't dispute how well nikon were in the '80s and '90s. But until very recently, their DSLR line was really pale compare to Canon. I had quite a few nikon film camera myself, but never a DSLR yet.

Most die-hard fans talk about nikon glorious past, but I think we all need to be objective and not to mix emotion and preference over real performances. Till this day, I think nikon's jpeg alogrithm still sucks big time (yes, jpeg is impt!).

Notwithstanding, I am not here to start a fight, but hoping that nikon could do more to convince people like myself to switch back once again. Then we need not be at the mercy of Canon's marketing tactics.

Btw, anyone here want to sell their D200 at sub-1K price to me so I do not have to mount my old nikon lenses onto my Canon body with those troublsom adapters thingy? Can't understand why nikon do not allow the Dxx series to be compatible with their wonderfull old prime lenses. Even the cheapest canon DSLR could do that, this is a joke!:angry:

You have lots of comments, dude. I believe each business has their own trade secrets and limited know-how. Henceforth, Each camera manufacturer will have their strength and weaknesses...seems like you have such a good suggestion, maybe you can post it to Nikon and be one of their top management. Instead of posting such comment at CS, where all of us are so call general consumers who have no authority for a 'Change'.

For a start, I will give you the feedback section of the HQ of Nikon to sound your feedback. You call them - http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/support/contact/phone.htm

 

[carbon14]

Why bother to come to the forum if ppl cannot share a slice of their thoughts...

 

[TMC]

Well, if nikon is really that great, why won't they even bother to develop their own image sensor but instead be held by the neck by sony? I rather think their product lanuch is slower because they are still waiting for sony, haha! Cost-effective measure for a leader in 35mm equip? hmm....

Can't dispute how well nikon were in the '80s and '90s. But until very recently, their DSLR line was really pale compare to Canon. I had quite a few nikon film camera myself, but never a DSLR yet.

Most die-hard fans talk about nikon glorious past, but I think we all need to be objective and not to mix emotion and preference over real performances. Till this day, I think nikon's jpeg alogrithm still sucks big time (yes, jpeg is impt!).

Notwithstanding, I am not here to start a fight, but hoping that nikon could do more to convince people like myself to switch back once again. Then we need not be at the mercy of Canon's marketing tactics.

Btw, anyone here want to sell their D200 at sub-1K price to me so I do not have to mount my old nikon lenses onto my Canon body with those troublsom adapters thingy? Can't understand why nikon do not allow the Dxx series to be compatible with their wonderfull old prime lenses. Even the cheapest canon DSLR could do that, this is a joke!:angry:

what is it about Nikon`s Jpeg algor that you didnt like? I tried canon and I use Nikon. Either way the jpeg are pretty much the same. the only thing that I always thought Nikon lost out to canon was the AF speed and the high ISO. but now that has changed with the emergence of D300, D3, D700 and D90.

Another point is that Canon`s FD lenses still need an adaptor to mount on to their DSLRs. Nikon doesnt need to but then you just cant do auto exposure with it. unless you have the mid level body and above.

 

[ilikeit]

I think carbon14 give a very objective and sensible reply. While most photographer will know the number of mega pixel does not equate to better technology and quality, but for the mass they look at the magic number. Hey, my phone has a 5mp cam!.. yeah, even my old 3.2mp powershot can take better pics than the 5mp phone.

Personally, i like Nikon aesthetically and also mode of operation better but i cannot say so to their positioning of the camera only until recently.

The megapixel game will never stop and there will (maybe) a time where 100mp is just a norm. My first computer has 32mb of ram and who could imagine 4gb of ram is common now. With everything going HD, 10 terabyte could be just a start.

As for TS on why Nikon is always slower, my assumption might be cost of production over constant requirement to update with new product in the digital world.

 

[carbon14]

what is it about Nikon`s Jpeg algor that you didnt like? I tried canon and I use Nikon. Either way the jpeg are pretty much the same. the only thing that I always thought Nikon lost out to canon was the AF speed and the high ISO. but now that has changed with the emergence of D300, D3, D700 and D90.

Another point is that Canon`s FD lenses still need an adaptor to mount on to their DSLRs. Nikon doesnt need to but then you just cant do auto exposure with it. unless you have the mid level body and above.

Yeah you are right. No auto exposure with nikon low-end body but you could do it with a canon. Quite a mockery to me.

Anyway, according to my friends, nikon AF speed with the higher end models seem quite alright now. Would like to try it myself someday.