4K XAVC spells end for FCP7

[Bamboopictures]

Anyone gearing up for 4K in 2014? Time to put FCP7 to rest.
http://lovecamcorder.tumblr.com/pos...edit-sony-f55-f5-4k-xavc-in-final-cut-pro-6-7

 

[XsenseX]

4k XAVC is more for international corporate work … Locally, most of them don't even need 2k, don't say 4k quality.

Just look at our local cinemas since its the earliest places that support 4k screening. I don't see any 'local' advertisements in 2k yet. All full-hd quality only.
*if you guys have been to cathay cinemas, you would have seen their 2min 'job vacancy' dance clip, and even that is not in 4k when they are in the freaking movie industry.

I think 4k for mainstream will only burst into the scene when they compress it into the new h265 format which is basically same file data size as what all the dslr shooters are having now.

I would love to provide 4k for my clients but i don't think they understand the difference to be ready to pay extra for it as yet.

Pushing 4k into 2015 would be a better bet and generally it would be well supported by then.

 

[Bamboopictures]

Perhaps there is no demand for 4K yet. But some times, technology adoption is forced upon us by camera manufacturers. Panasonic GH5 is rumored to be 4K ready and sony is already offering the 4K prosumer AX1 instead of a HD upgrade of their NX5. Production companies looking to replace their old cameras may have to buy a 4K camera and shoot with in HD mode. But from what I see from the down-scaled 4K, there is noticeable improvement in dynamic range and the look is getting very close to film. So may not be a bad thing.

 

[XsenseX]

Agree on the manufacturers forcing camera down our throat … I don't understand the 4k on the prosumer AX1 when obviously only the pros have the equipments with editing muscle to touch 4k clips.
(I'm guessing at least the cheapest new MacPro to edit the monster amount of data)

So its like giving a class 5 truck to a class 3 lorry driver. He knows how to drive heavy duty transports but its obviously over his limit and experience.

I do have to say its still a good thing now to try pushing the tech into mainstream, AX1 might not sell well but after 2-3 more 4k prosumers cameras, i think the market will start getting used to it.
And thats when the GH4/5 will come in with 4K + h265 compression and rule the indie film makers and partial wedding market.

 

[Bamboopictures]

Here's the case against 4K:
http://broadcastengineering.com/hdtv/why-4k-wrong
I hope camera makers will fix the basic stuff like rolling shutter, moire, dynamic range, long GOP and bitrate first before worrying about resolution.

 

[hamanoshun]

I don't think that consumers' ability to process 4k is inadequate, but 4k RAW, that's a different story altogether.

Honestly, I would love to work in 4K, then downscale to HD. Enables a lot of possibilities in post.

 

[XsenseX]

I don't think that consumers' ability to process 4k is inadequate, but 4k RAW, that's a different story altogether.

Honestly, I would love to work in 4K, then downscale to HD. Enables a lot of possibilities in post.

Bro, have you tried editing in 4k XAVC (either native or converted to Prores422)?

I already have a little lag when editing FullHD Prores 50fps clips on FCPX (during multiple laying effects). And my machine is i7 quad core (hyper threading) with 32GB ram & SSD.

I tried editing 4K clips and its 'possible' but it gets very very intensive & Laggy as effects, layers & all sorts of stuff comes in which is the real editing process, not just dumping clips one by one and say it edits smoothly.

 

[hamanoshun]

Bro, have you tried editing in 4k XAVC (either native or converted to Prores422)?

I already have a little lag when editing FullHD Prores 50fps clips on FCPX (during multiple laying effects). And my machine is i7 quad core (hyper threading) with 32GB ram & SSD.

I tried editing 4K clips and its 'possible' but it gets very very intensive & Laggy as effects, layers & all sorts of stuff comes in which is the real editing process, not just dumping clips one by one and say it edits smoothly.

I haven't tried editing those, but I have done 2.5k RAW, on a workstation that doesn't belong to me.

As you have demonstrated with the scale of your souped-up computer, the hardware setup for a decent editing station is within reach of consumers. And quad-core? Please, you are using consumer-grade hardware so I don't think you should be surprised when it lags.

Also, you said your hardware experiences "little lag".
FullHD ProRes 50FPS with little lag on consumer-grade hardware? That's a very good achievement already.

I don't know exactly how much juice is needed for 4K, but as far as computing power goes, it will be exponentially better than what we have today. Even 2 or 3 years down the road, I believe then we can have consumer-grade hardware that can edit 4K.

 

[XsenseX]

I haven't tried editing those, but I have done 2.5k RAW, on a workstation that doesn't belong to me.

As you have demonstrated with the scale of your souped-up computer, the hardware setup for a decent editing station is within reach of consumers. And quad-core? Please, you are using consumer-grade hardware so I don't think you should be surprised when it lags.

Also, you said your hardware experiences "little lag".
FullHD ProRes 50FPS with little lag on consumer-grade hardware? That's a very good achievement already.

I don't know exactly how much juice is needed for 4K, but as far as computing power goes, it will be exponentially better than what we have today. Even 2 or 3 years down the road, I believe then we can have consumer-grade hardware that can edit 4K.

Woh woh here. I'm not comparing whose specs is better here. If you wish to put it personal, i'm not interested in sharing any information anymore.
"And quad-core? Please, you are using consumer-grade hardware" … What a $hitty sentence and don't tell me you ain't personal.

*Anyways, your flawed understanding of general consumers is laughable. Of course ANY hardware is within reach of consumers as long as that particular consumer is rich enough. We ain't talking about your group of rich kids. I've a grp of friends who drives audis during Uni days, you think they will hesitate to buy $5k mac pro for World or Warcraft? lol

Peace Out ...

 

[chris198810]

Anybody here who has 4K XAVC videos and want to import to FCP, there is a simple way for you. To edit Sony 4k XAVC footage in Final Cut Pro 7 or FCP X/6 smoothly, the easy workaround is to change the file extention from "XAVC" to "ProRes", which is a friendly format supported by FCP. As mentioned above, Brorsoft Video Converter for Mac can be used as a XAVC Converter Mac under OS X Leopard (10.5), Snow Leopard (10.6), Lion (10.7), Mountain Lion (10.8). It is free, clean and safe to install and use. With it, you can effortlessly transcode XAVC to ProRes MOV for Final Cut Pro 6/7/X, and it works well and converts flawlessly.

By the way I didn't tried to keep the original 4k resolution for my Final Cut, but I think the video app can help you keep it if you need.